Is Atlantis, Doggersland or Doggersbank

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Plato, the Greek philosopher, wrote about Atlantis  in 360 BC, in his dialogues. He described an island the size of a continent at the beginning of the Atlantic, with sub islands that formed an empire. It is the first literary reference to this area. According to him, it would be beyond the pillars of Hercules. He described it as the hearsay of people who have never visited America, but know about New York without having been there. He had a pupil who had supplied him much information from Egypt. Why would he, who has written such deep profound work that has formed Western thinking, have invented Atlantis. That is simply not plausible. He described something as an example in his dialogue, as people refer to a well-known fact to support their argument. His dialogues show that the island nation was destroyed within a day and night, swallowed up by the sea and its elements, and so he used Atlantis as an example, 'just like Atlantis which was flooded by the sea  at night.." as a comparison in his text. It is in my opinion not a question but an indication to something that goes without saying because it was a given fact. Compare this with the sinking of the Titanic, none of us has been on the Titanic or were endangered there, but it is a known fact, one of the human collective. Why would anyone think of the Titanic in a dialogue if you want to describe something else. To me, as a  literary historian, obviously Plato refers to something that has been palpable.


The Pillars of Hercules

Like Plato, Socrates also writes about the pillars of Hercules, they are describing a real place. If you have a text and you ask the right questions, than you get the right answers. What are those Pillars of Hercules to which Plato refers? 'It is beyond the pillars of Hercules that you encounter Atlantis.' Not only Plato talking now about Atlantis, he says in his age-old text that survived 2400 years, he tells us where you can find it, he knows in his dialogues in which he cites Atlantis, merely as an example, that Atlantis is made up of seven main islands with a larger island, the main island. Why would a philosopher think so. Once more a link back to our time. A contemporary philosopher who has never been to the US, talking about New York and the Statue of Liberty might quote that it is known to everyone as a symbol of democracy and the Empire State Building as example of architectural ingenuity. Even when we come to the linguistic concepts, instead of saying New York one could refer to  "the big apple", no one would even blink his eyes, just as we could speak about a show in Broadway, in today's society these concepts have their own value.


As you have the strait, the narrow passage between Dover and Calais in the North sea, you also have the hip neck passage of the Mediterranean sea to the Atlantic ocean between Gibraltar, Spain and Africa. This was in the time of Plato also referred to as the pillars of Hercules. Hercules also called Heracles in the ancient texts, was the legendary hero who could do anything. In the coat of arms of Andalucia, the eight southernmost provinces of Spain, you can see Hercules depicted with two lions and two pillars. It will mean nothing to my fellow villagers, but it stems from a time when both sides of the water territory were Spanish. Only in the last 70 years, Spain gave up the Spanish Sahara, right up to the Sahara, the area was Spanish. So Plato recounts how to sail from Greece to get to Atlantis. You have to sail far, even beyond the Mediterranean Sea, you must pass the pillars of Hercules, so beyond the narrow Strait of Gibraltar and then you end up in the Atlantic Ocean, which gave its name to the island kingdom of Atlantis.


The proof is in Egypt

Crantor the pupil of Plato visited Egypt and he, like, Xenocrates another pupil of Plato, describes an encounter with Egyptian priests. Alexander the Great, a Greek, conquered  Egypt and penerated deep into India, there were clear links between the two countries, it is no coincidence that you find the place Alexandria in Egypt. Literally translated from  Greek, their story reads: ".. 7 islands with the main island and the biggest of them with a diameter of 3000 Stages (= 500 kilometers) with a race that has conquered the known area of ​​the islands and penetrated deep intoto the Egyptian territories, making Libya theirs ... when their entire land was swallowed up in one day and night, by the earthquakes and the sea made it disappear and that part of the sea became unnavigable by shoals and rocks and small islands ... "

An apprentice priest translated the hyrocliphes on the pillars for them. Those pillars are still in Egypt.


references in other ancient texts

The Greek Jewish philosopher Philo of the first century, describes in his study "the eternal world," the destruction of Atlantis, he calls it Atalantis but it is clear that this is Atlantis. In section 26 of chapter 141 of his study, he says, 'an island, Atalantis, that was bigger than Africa and Asia was engulfed by the sea in a day and night by an earthquake and the water that then followed, what came out of the sea all flooded and one cannot navigate the area because of shoals and reefs and currents .. "Timagenus and historian of the first century BC, writes: The Druyiden tribe in Gaulie (France) tell how they had fled into the sea from islands after a disaster, to countries and islands above the Rhine. The celts and druids worshipped. A twin deity Diosocori, who had come out of the ocean.


Doggerbank or Doggerland

When I was young I lived for a while in IJmuiden. I often walked along the new fishing port near the fish markets. Fish and fishermen were an important part of IJmuiden. Many boys in my class had uncles, brother or father who were fisherman. We watched the cutters and saw them leaving and come home again. The Neeltje Jacoba, was always ready as a rescue ship at the harbor mouth, Wijsmuller lay with his tugs past the small lock and life was a matter of course. I heard nothing else and did not know any better than that they always fished above the Dogger Bank. A shoal in the North Sea with many currents and with much fish. Especially flatfish  which you always find in trenches or basins. In the museum next to our primary school  we passed the square with a mammoth bone from the past. We accepted that as ordinary knowledge, a cutter had fished up a mammoth bone and had donated it to the municipal museum in the Pleaden park .. It was of course not so normal, why would you encounter 150 kilometers out of the coast a mammoth bone? Because they had fished above sunken land!



Geological research indicates that such is the case. Geologists have found interesting facts and archaeologists assume that until 7000 years ago, during the last Ice Age, the UK and Europe were connected through plains. The plains covering a field beyond England in both directions; towards France and Spain and also to Denmark and Sweden. The Rhine and the Thames flowed out both in this plain. At least, it was lower than the Netherlands now and England. But because of the large water storage in ice sheets the sea level was 120 meters lower than it is now, when the big thawing out increased the water level and the land first became island-like with its highest areas, to finally disappear .. In the last Ice Age a huge dam was first formed by glacier ice between Scotland and Norway. Behind, this 'dam' the water level rose alarmingly. Over time, the natural dam broke under the influence of the climate and the raised water engulfed the country and wore out the Passage of Calais, the English Channel. Seismic research shows an underwater area rich in rivers, beaches, coves fertile soils which must have been a paradise for hunting and fishing right associated with meadows.


Atlantis next to the Netherlands

Professor Bates who for years has studied data from Oil Companies and their test drilling sites, believes the Dogger Bank was once Doggerland. Seismic research shows the course of ancient rivers in the sea bed.


Rivers  have for thousands of years centuries done their work, edging out on the seabed their course of flow. Separately, he relies on findings. Tools such as a spearhead or a harpoon point but also a skull of a Neanderthaller. This quite apart from organized stone structures, manmade. He believes that the area was once the heart of Europe. A heart slowly converting to become huge islands. With rich hunting grounds, for example harboring Mammoths. According to the research of the St Andrew University, led by Dr Bates, Doggerland was larger than most European countries today. After 15 years of fieldwork Bates has a fairly accurate picture of the animal species and the implements (tools) that were available to the inhabitants.The research focussed as well on micro pollen and macro fauna and presents a picture of the vegetation


At present he is investigating possible underwater human burial mounds. He has already found massive dead Mammoths gathered together. Suggesting that they were overtaken by the water by surpise. He outlines an area with hills, valleys and rivers.


Back to square one

Plato sketches a land beyond the Pillars of Hercules, so beyond Gibraltar. The Doggerland perished suddenly. The islands were the meltwater already had raised the water level, an earthquake and a huge tsunami then did it last work, perhaps the areas still formed an island archipelago for a time, but they then are in time converted to sandbars. Then the glacierdam gave away and earthquakes occurred and a tsunami in the sea appeared and it was done with Doggerland. The sudden end coincides with what Philo said earlier in his writings, the destruction also corresponds to the time discussed by Plato, about 8,000 years ago. A day sailing past Gibraltar and you're at the Doggerland of yesteryear. I think Bates has found Atlantis.

What does San Daniel have to say about all of this? Be careful with rising waterlevels is the message ..

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  1.  "Though influenced primarily by Socrates, to the extent that Socrates is usually the main character in many of Plato's writings, he was also influenced by Heraclitus, Parmenides, and the Pythagoreans" (
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Pillars of Hercules and or Atlantis:

  1.  Seneca, Hercules Furens 235ff.; Seneca, Hercules Oetaeus 1240; Pliny, Nat. Hist. iii.4.
  2. "Close to the Pillars there are two isles, one of which they call Hera's Island; moreover, there are some who call also these isles the Pillars." (Strabo, 3.5.3.); see also H. L. Jones' gloss on this line in the Loeb Classical Library.
  3. Diodorus 4.18.5.
  4. Diógenes LaercioVidas, opiniones y sentencias de los filósofos más ilustres, IV, 24 - 27 (Crantor).
  5. Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy, "Xenocrates"
  6. Het artikel "Xénocrate" van Pierre Hadot (Collège de France) in Universalis 2011
  7. timagenus
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  9. Small, D, Rinterknecht, V, Austin, WEN, Bates, CR, Benn, DI, Scourse, JD, Bourlès, DL, Hibbert, FD & ASTER Team 2016, 'Implications of 36Cl exposure ages from Skye, northwest Scotland for the timing of ice stream deglaciation and deglacial ice dynamics' Quaternary Science Reviews, vol 150, pp. 130-145. DOI: 10.1016/j.quascirev.2016.08.028

    Pollard, E, Bates, CR, Ichumbaki, E & Bita, C 2016, 'Shipwreck evidence from Kilwa, Tanzania' International Journal of Nautical Archaeology, vol 45, no. 2, pp. 352-369. DOI: 10.1111/1095-9270.12185

    Bates, CR & Bates, M 2016, 'Palaeogeographic Reconstruction in the Transition Zone: the role of geophysical forward modelling in ground investigation surveys' Archaeological Prospection. DOI: 10.1002/arp.1546



29/11/2016 07:26

Reacties (2) 

28/06/2020 15:41
Volgens megalitische inscripties was doggersland een schiereiland.
29/11/2016 18:55
Interesting possibillity indeed!
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